NOSAPOCKET: By the time that the Puritans, pilgrims, came over here, there was a rule about—there was a bull a papal bull, that said it was Christian duty to subdue, restrain, even kill—later, kill—heathens, pagans, and infidels. Which included us. We didn't know that. Any non-Christian, basically.
And so, of course there was big wars over in Europe, and based on that same thing. And so, here, they come over here. It's again, you guys aren't Christian, so we can take everything you have.
We're supposed to. And we can even kill you. And there's no shame in that.
We didn't know any of that. But we had come to a place where, in our evolution, before we were forming big confederations of tribes so that no one ever had to fight anymore with each other.
There was like, peace treaties. But there was easy commerce all up and down the Coast. People were safe to travel amongst each other. We had friends all the way out. So, we were at a different place when the Puritans arrived, and sickness arrived.
We had to stop traveling. And we couldn't go to those areas that had been sick. So that interfered with things. And ironically, the 400 year anniversary, 1620, 2020? When COVID came about?
ANTHONY TRUJILLO: Yeah.
NOSAPOCKET: Lots of people died in 1620, and in 1616 upward for a number of years. There were massive deaths amongst us in this coastline. There's a lot of parallels. But how do you survive through all that, and still being loving and friendly and that?
Because those are some of our values about where we at then, at a better place. Because we had already been to the other place. Struggling with each other, we had already been there.
Now we had to enlist in war. We were taken and made to go to fight with other people, against people we've never seen before, had no grievance with. All kinds of things, our people got used and abused in a number of ways.
But here we are. And during those times, a lot of people did take pots. And they did go and reconnect with their art, to refresh themselves and cleanse themselves. You have to keep cleaning, in order not to get toxified, poisoned, by the experiences.
ANTHONY TRUJILLO: Yeah. So, the process of making a pot, can also be a process of cleansing?
NOSAPOCKET: Yeah. Yeah.